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the word on npp? and cycle help please..

Hi bros, my current cycle is..

500mg test enth week 1-6 (frontloaded 1g week 1)
400mg primo week 1-6 (frontloaded 600mg week 1)
30mg blue heart dbol week 1-4

then Im thinking about trying an active PCT ie doing 2 weeks @ 125mg ew and doin Clomid and or Nolvadex for the 2 weeks and a week or 2 after to see how I recover.

heres a link to a thread about active pcts..

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Fo...15&pagenumber=3

So Im undecided on whether to either have 6 weeks off or cruise for 2 weeks @125mg ew with Clomid and or nolva with hcg then back on..

either prop/npp for 4-6 weeks

or

test/eq for 12-14 weeks

or

prop Tren 4-6 weeks


have never used Tren eq or npp...

is 4-6 weeks considered too short to run npp?

Thanks

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 10:00:34 (permalink)
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    id do a 6 weeker prop-NPP, probably be my next as well.


    that link above doesnt work but that 'active recovery' sounds pretty dodgy, you say run 125mg EW, but 125mg of what???
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 10:05:23 (permalink)
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    i'm planning 4 week sof prop and npp. npp is simply a fast acting deca - nandrolone phenyl propionate.

    it's like a mini sust/deca cycle really but with less shut down due to the nandrolone being faster acting and out of your system quicker than normal deca.

    as fina i'm unsure about the active recovery bit - sounds like a bridge andeven 125mg of test ew will keep you shut down IMHO. i know that some people use 10mg dbol in the morning as a bridge which some believe allows you to regain your test production slightly in the afternoon - i'm unconvinced tbh adn believe you should either be ON or OFF cycle.

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 12:22:20 (permalink)
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    as fina i'm unsure about the active recovery bit - sounds like a bridge andeven 125mg of test ew will keep you shut down IMHO. i know that some people use 10mg dbol in the morning as a bridge which some believe allows you to regain your test production slightly in the afternoon - i'm unconvinced tbh adn believe you should either be ON or OFF cycle.


    totally agree in the above scenario you are still on natural teste production will not restart, total waste of time. either stay on properly or take proper breaks there is no inbetween imo, there is also no controled study that i have ever seen that supports the cruising theory.
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 12:25:52 (permalink)
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    btw, i like the idea of npp due to the anecdotal reports of easier recovery, it will feature as part of my next cycle.

    i think i am going to go with ninja,s suggestion from a previous thread and run 10 weeks deca and test then switch to test and npp for 8 weeks then test on its own for a few more weeks in the hope that recovery will be a little easier than if i had just run deca through out. still not 100% sure and may run npp throughout the cycle.
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 15:21:04 (permalink)
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    ok so its either 4-6 weeks prop npp with or without 2 week cruise period with clomid and or nolva and hcg..

    Ive read too many posts stating that people have tried this protocol and have to experienced a crash and report this is the best pct theyve done...

    heres the link, should work this time

    http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=f1b7ba95e15405cffaca0c9d4b71056e&threadid=14435&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 16:45:35 (permalink)
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    I start my prop and NPP cycle tomorrow for 6 weeks. Will keep you posted.

    Do you still have to heat up the vials before injecting or is this only for slow esters?
    post edited by DC - 2005/08/02 16:47:15
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 17:35:20 (permalink)
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    ^^^ actually normally only for sust!

    some props can be nippy tho and heating these up would help a little but mixing with npp will cut the pain to a minimum

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 21:17:26 (permalink)
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    Cheers Ninja!
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/02 22:07:03 (permalink)
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    has anyone read that link what a load of rubbish imo, with reference material in most cases tenuously appropriate at best.

    its just bridging with a low amount of test, 150mg ew of test enan will shut you down, your hpta will not recover.

    when you finally come off presumably you will come off a 6 week cycle rather than do this shi?e first and therfore you will be just as shut down as you would be after the 6 week cycle whether or not you ran the suggested protocol at the start of your 6 weeks or not. there can be no claim that the recovery (that doesnt exist) extends throughout the next 6 week cycle.

    if they are saying when you finally come off you do this protocol and then pct, then you will be doing an extended pct off the back of only using 150mg ew test enan ew for 4 weeks, obviously then recovery will be easier than if you had just come off a harsh 6 week high dose prop/tren cycle.

    the funniest bit is the way he keeps stateing that this is prooved by scientific fact but comes up with zero eveidence.

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 04:22:57 (permalink)
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    ihawk - either Im very tired or your post is confusing.

    either way have a look at the same thread I posted on steroidology

    http://steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1141077&posted=1#post1141077
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 12:24:10 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: ihawk

    has anyone read that link what a load of rubbish imo, with reference material in most cases tenuously appropriate at best.

    its just bridging with a low amount of test, 150mg ew of test enan will shut you down, your hpta will not recover.

    when you finally come off presumably you will come off a 6 week cycle rather than do this shi?e first and therfore you will be just as shut down as you would be after the 6 week cycle whether or not you ran the suggested protocol at the start of your 6 weeks or not. there can be no claim that the recovery (that doesnt exist) extends throughout the next 6 week cycle.

    if they are saying when you finally come off you do this protocol and then pct, then you will be doing an extended pct off the back of only using 150mg ew test enan ew for 4 weeks, obviously then recovery will be easier than if you had just come off a harsh 6 week high dose prop/tren cycle.

    the funniest bit is the way he keeps stateing that this is prooved by scientific fact but comes up with zero eveidence.




    that link is brilliant - made me laugh anyway. yes it's all scientifically proven, blah blah - proof? er.... be right back!

    WAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

    ORIGINAL: 1ntense

    ihawk - either Im very tired or your post is confusing.

    either way have a look at the same thread I posted on steroidology

    http://steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1141077&posted=1#post1141077


    yes mate you seem to be getting slatted on there too!

    IMHO stick to standard cycle and standard pct as advised on steroidology. or alternatively you could ignore everyone's advice and do your own thing - this appears to be what you're going to do anyway!

    when you finally come off the gear have fun playing with your small balls and large breasts.

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 14:15:06 (permalink)
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    Lmao ok ninja - thanks for the advise mate..next time I ask for advise on what gear to run could you answer the question please and not tell me about the compound which was not asked for, to make yourself look smart lol and refrain on posting about drugs that you have never used as seen in other posts lately. I find the advice that you give sub standard and maybe when you have the cycle experience and size to back up your advice people might take you a bit more seriously, until then maybe you should let the more experienced bros answer...

    Ninja - have you tried the above protocol?

    and slated, I dont think so..

    "I like the idea, i don't like the duration of the PCT. I would probably do something like 3 weeks with 125mg + serms then 3 weeks serms. Worth a shot see how it goes." - by a well respected mod.

    Also if you read the last post, you will see the part where it states how the owner of steroidology runs his cycles (with hcg and serms somewhat frequently)

    Let me quote him for you..

    Posted by Biggieswolls:

    "A bulking cycle for 3.5 months followed by a 2 month Low-dosage-Test maintanance course which is then followed by a 12-14 week cutting cycle. The 3 months after that is either done clean or low-dosage-Test again. Blood tests run by the Doc every 1-2 months. I tend not to post this way of cycling because it really is not for everybody."

    "As far as Clomid, thats your personal choice as to when and how to use it. I personally recover fairly well using HCG somewhat frequently with nolva. "

    Why would the owner of this well known and respected board run serms and hcg during his cycles? Unless Ive picked him up wrong..still waiting for him to post..

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 14:23:10 (permalink)
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    ps not everyone is so small minded..

    posted my another well respected mod over on ology..

    "Ever read cycles for pennies? Although im not so sure that PCT drugs during a cycle will work, im also not so quick to shoot it down. There are shades of grey especially when dealing with the human body. Now, I agree with you mranak but only if the doses are really hardcore. If one was to do moderate/heavy "on" cycles and in between do a very light dose of test with a solid clo/nolva/adex protocal AND used HCG while on...well Id like to hear from anyone whos tried this."

    here's there link:

    http://steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76759

    and another quote from it.."Very good points. I agree with you. For example, I've seen guys taking HRT doses of exogenous testosterone that are still able to stimulate their HPTA with a SERM. With a fairly low dose of testosterone and a SERM, I suspect that somebody would likely stimulate their HPTA, at least to some extent.

    Thank you for pointing this out to me and others."

    Regards

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 14:53:30 (permalink)
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    1ntense, while ninja makes no claims to be a steroid expert he has indeed run several cycles and is a well resepcted member of this board.

    as far as you banging on about this "new protocol" which is infact exactly the same thing the pro,s have been doing for years and anyone else that stays on year round. the running of hcg during a cycle is very normal mate not a new way of doing things, this will to some extent stimulate natural test production, nothing new there.

    my above post which you say you dont understand merely asks what protocol you implement at the end of the cycle when you finally come off, and points out clearly that if you run your suggested protocol first and then regular pct it is no surprise that after this extended pct you will recover well. if however the last time you run your suggested protocol is at the start of the last 6 week steroid cycle and then you just run a normal pct you will be in exactly the same boat as if you ahd never run your protocol 6 weeks earlier.

    you are describing bridging with a low test dose (standard practice for those that stay on), you are suggesting the use of hcg (standard practice), you are pointing out recovery will be easier with short acting meds as they will be out of the system quicker (some truth in that, but drugs like tren can lead to very slow recover especially at higher doses even with a short ester). you are pointing out that after doing 4 weeks of 150mg test along side clomid and hcg recovery will be easy if you stop at that point compared to i suppose coming off a heavy 6 week cycle, no sh?t sherlock.

    there is zero evidence related to your protocol in the reseacrh you suggest supports it, there is zero evidence that at the end of the 4 weeks you will be significantly recovered and go into the next 6 weeks with anywhere near your normal level of test production.

    so that is why people are shooting down your theory all over the place, its a bridge simple as that, imo you will not be significantly recovered after 4 weeks of doing this to make it anything else but a standard bridge.

    only thing i am not sure of factually is the effect of clomid on natural test production during a cycle or during the bridging phase, so that is one area that could be interesting to explore further, imo though even with only 150mg test ew clomid will not have a significant effect if you can proove otherwise it would be interesting.

    hope that is clearer, maybe you can actually try and support some of the claims with facts.
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 14:54:32 (permalink)
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    actually i can't even be bothered responding.

    hope you crash mate

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 18:09:30 (permalink)
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    ihawk - just spent about 15 mins replying to your post mate but computer crashed and it didnt post..will post again later..thanks for the reply, you made some good points.

    ninja - thanks for the comment..the words of a well respected mt member LOL

    Regards

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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 20:34:29 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: ihawk

    as far as you banging on about this "new protocol" which is infact exactly the same thing the pro,s have been doing for years and anyone else that stays on year round. the running of hcg during a cycle is very normal mate not a new way of doing things, this will to some extent stimulate natural test production, nothing new there

    I wasnt saying that its anything new to run hcg during long cycles mate

    my above post which you say you dont understand merely asks what protocol you implement at the end of the cycle when you finally come off, and points out clearly that if you run your suggested protocol first and then regular pct it is no surprise that after this extended pct you will recover well. if however the last time you run your suggested protocol is at the start of the last 6 week steroid cycle and then you just run a normal pct you will be in exactly the same boat as if you ahd never run your protocol 6 weeks earlier.


    Not sure if this is true and you say so yourself later in your post, think you will find that you are contradicting yourself mate

    you are describing bridging with a low test dose (standard practice for those that stay on), you are suggesting the use of hcg (standard practice), you are pointing out recovery will be easier with short acting meds as they will be out of the system quicker (some truth in that, but drugs like tren can lead to very slow recover especially at higher doses even with a short ester.

    I didnt say that using shorter esters will lead to quicker recovery and didnt say that bridging and the use of hcg wasnt standard practise as I know they are..

    you are pointing out that after doing 4 weeks of 150mg test along side clomid and hcg recovery will be easy if you stop at that point compared to i suppose coming off a heavy 6 week cycle, no sh?t sherlock.

    LOL - I didnt point out that after doing 4 weeks of 150mg test along side clomid and hcg will yeild an easy recovery...infact I dont understant this part mate, could you explain please? What I was suggesting is that when i do come off, I go down to 125mg test e a week for 2 weeks whilst running clomid and or nolva for those 2 weeks, then a further 2-3 weeks after that..and Im hoping for smoother better recovery from that over standard pct.

    there is zero evidence related to your protocol in the reseacrh you suggest supports it, there is zero evidence that at the end of the 4 weeks you will be significantly recovered and go into the next 6 weeks with anywhere near your normal level of test production.

    Im not saying that I will be fully recovered after the 4 weeks of clomid and or nolva mate, far from it..just think it would ease recovery when I came off after the next 4-6 weeks with custom pct again.

    only thing i am not sure of factually is the effect of clomid on natural test production during a cycle or during the bridging phase, so that is one area that could be interesting to explore further, imo though even with only 150mg test ew clomid will not have a significant effect if you can proove otherwise it would be interesting.

    Mate this is the best part of your post..that is what Im suggesting, using serms while on hrt doses ie 125mg test e ew...at least you are willing to so that you are not sure and that there is a possibility of serms helping natty test levels whilst administering clomid while exogenous test is present.

    So all in all some gd and bad points, think you have picked me up wrong on a few points mate...if I decide to do the above protocol i will let you know how I get on..

    Peace

    1ntense




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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 20:35:44 (permalink)
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    LOL not sure how to use the quote function it appears..
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    RE: the word on npp? and cycle help please.. 2005/08/03 21:30:58 (permalink)
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    mate i think this thrad has run its course and apart from the clomid issue which you havnt provided anything on i must admit i think the whole protocol is pointless over the more usual methods of bridging or standard pct at end of cycle. very few of my specific questions/queries have been answered by you so again its hard to move further forward.

    as has been said before by all means run it but i dont see any merit in it apart from if clomid is much more powerfull at helping to restore natural test production than i believe it is.
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