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2005/07/29 22:12:00 (permalink)
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to all the 'powerlifters'

Hi,
I know this is probably going to come across as a really stupid question.. but here goes!:

Why is your sport called 'powerlifting' when all of the exercises are done very slowly? Surely it would be more accurate to call it strength-lifting?! For a movement to be called powerful doesnt the force have to develop very quickly.. as in a power clean?

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    jonnymills
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/29 23:07:48 (permalink)
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    Which book did you get that from? I've read that before somewhere. Was it Mel Siff?
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 14:07:56 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: 2fast

    Hi,
    I know this is probably going to come across as a really stupid question.. but here goes!:

    Why is your sport called 'powerlifting' when all of the exercises are done very slowly? Surely it would be more accurate to call it strength-lifting?! For a movement to be called powerful doesnt the force have to develop very quickly.. as in a power clean?

    Thanks



    whys the sport golf called golf when theres no cars involved?

    but seriously ive seen that before also


     


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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 14:25:43 (permalink)
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    The weights are only moving slowly due to their weight, it doesn't mean that he power used to lift them is lacking.

    Power is a term of force, not speed.
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    Scourge_of_God
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 14:44:02 (permalink)
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    Greater power outputs occur during weightlifting than powerlifting, but powerlifters are able to use more weight than weightlifters.

    Oh the irony...
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 15:18:52 (permalink)
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    If you saw someone like Brian Siders squatting you would not say he was moving the weight slowly.
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 15:55:54 (permalink)
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    yep. you do not have to move it quickly and strenght lifting may be a more accurate name. Hower powerlifting is more catchy title.

    While worlds strongest man comps are more about moving a weight quickly so could be called powerlifting, minus static hold events.

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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 17:19:26 (permalink)
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    the unit of power, if i remember corectly, is Nms E-1 ie a gravitational factor, a distance factor and a speed factor. yes, speed should technically be involved but as has been said, you just cant chuck those kinds of weight around

    i could be wrong about the units involved too. im waiting for the backlash, i only got a 2,2 hons

    soap
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/30 20:49:08 (permalink)
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    I didnt get this from a book. My dad and I were discussing it the other day.

    I understand that with the weights used it is impossible to move them quickly. I also realise that 'powerlifters' are immensely powerful if lighter wieghts were used. I guess its just the name that gets me. I mean even the tests used, i.e. squat, bench, deadlift are not tests of power, they are tests of strength.
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/31 03:40:29 (permalink)
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    Fair points, but I'm sorry if I've heard it lots of times before.
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/31 11:36:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: 2fast

    I didnt get this from a book. My dad and I were discussing it the other day.

    I understand that with the weights used it is impossible to move them quickly. I also realise that 'powerlifters' are immensely powerful if lighter wieghts were used. I guess its just the name that gets me. I mean even the tests used, i.e. squat, bench, deadlift are not tests of power, they are tests of strength.


    you are misunderstanding some essential elements of the sport. Look at squat or bench, both rely heavily on the stretch reflex of the muscles, both aim to start as explosively as you can and move the weight as quickly as you can. Sure there is loads of weight there to slow you down, but if power if mass x speed (or some similar formula i can't remember these things) the point is that there is more factors in power than measurable speed.

    to me if someone deadlifts 300kg and it moves at all it is amazing speed (and as a consequence power) compared to my attempt where the speed would be approximately zero
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/31 11:49:55 (permalink)
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    I think he's referring to the actual power output of the lifts (Wattage) compared to the Olympic lifts is minimal.
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/31 15:26:37 (permalink)
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    in oly lifting "power" normally means that your not going below parelel ie. power clean or full clean
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/07/31 16:54:11 (permalink)
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    why does your nose run and your feet smell !! maybe cos you have to have extreme power to lift such big weights ???
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/08/01 13:13:06 (permalink)
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    weightlifters are not more "powerful" than powerlifters.

    if you could see a powerlifter who benches 600lbs bench with 400 the bar would move extremely quickly. The problem is the movement is strict and when using maximum weights everyone is going to look slow.

    In weightlifting the biomechanics of the event means that some parts of the lift can be lifted with stronger muscles (the clean) making it look like it is done quicker and more powerfully.

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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/08/01 14:26:57 (permalink)
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    True, but if you are referring to power output (measured in Watts), the formula is something along the lines of mass x distance travelled divided by time (have no idead what it really is, but something along those lines), the power lifts don't even come close to the Olymipc lifts.

    John Garhammer (sp?) has done some research on this for people who are interested.

    http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?s=436d50a599c4d6887c3a086dca83dc25&showtopic=8661&st=25&#entry155036

    http://www.strengthcats.com/nodeadlift.htm

    http://www.strengthcats.com/plyobenchpress.htm
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/08/01 15:26:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: jonnymills

    True, but if you are referring to power output (measured in Watts), the formula is something along the lines of mass x distance travelled divided by time (have no idead what it really is, but something along those lines), the power lifts don't even come close to the Olymipc lifts.

    John Garhammer (sp?) has done some research on this for people who are interested.

    http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?s=436d50a599c4d6887c3a086dca83dc25&showtopic=8661&st=25&#entry155036

    http://www.strengthcats.com/nodeadlift.htm

    http://www.strengthcats.com/plyobenchpress.htm


    This is the bottom line. So in a sense the titles "powerlifting" and "weightlifting" should be swapped round. But I guess since weightlifting came first, they had first dibs on the name front...
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/08/01 16:59:58 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tokar
    This is the bottom line. So in a sense the titles "powerlifting" and "weightlifting" should be swapped round. But I guess since weightlifting came first, they had first dibs on the name front...

    Not entirley true. Weightlifting used to incorporate what is now known as the 'odd lifts' which, from what I've seen of them, require more basic strength than the OL's.

    & another thing. Steeplechase??? I've never seen a church run let alone get caught
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/08/01 18:03:13 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Little A


    ORIGINAL: tokar
    This is the bottom line. So in a sense the titles "powerlifting" and "weightlifting" should be swapped round. But I guess since weightlifting came first, they had first dibs on the name front...

    Not entirley true. Weightlifting used to incorporate what is now known as the 'odd lifts' which, from what I've seen of them, require more basic strength than the OL's.



    Well, sure. OK then- powerlifting came second and had to think of a name, and weightlifting was already taken. How's that?
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    RE: to all the 'powerlifters' 2005/08/01 18:06:24 (permalink)
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    power = force x velocity

    huge power = either huge force and small velocity, or huge velocity and small force, or huge force and huge velocity!

    power also = work done/time

    oh the joys of A level physics!

    Jimbo
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