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2008/05/14 17:33:11 (permalink)

to sum up

Bodybuilding/strength training is mostly about machismo.
the proper role for women is that of sex object/eye candy/trophy to enhance the status of the men.

Any woman who participates believing herself to have common ground with the men is wrong, they are following convention, being masculine, she is going against convention, not being feminine, the two just don’t jive with each other.

That’s truth for most of you, isn’t it?
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    Spirit Guide
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:36:09 (permalink)
    no - she is doing what she wants to do - its no one elses business
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:39:41 (permalink)
    Uh oh..

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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:41:56 (permalink)
    I see a woman wanting to achieve extreme musculature the same as I would see a man wanting to develop large breasts. Knock yourselves out, it's your lives. But don't moan when the rest of society don't see you as looking quite as masculine/feminine as you once did.

    Honestly, if you went on a site where the men all put up pictures and blogs of how they have managed to increase their breast size, compared cup sizes and breast texture, are you saying you wouldn't think of those men as being any less masculine?
    post edited by CheekyChappie - 2008/05/14 17:44:31
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:42:08 (permalink)
    as above really, if thats what they enjoy and want to do then good for them. No one else's business really

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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:46:23 (permalink)
    as above really, if thats what they enjoy and want to do then good for them. No one else's business really


    No-one is denying that the individual has the right to do as they wish as long as it harms no-one else. But don't berate society for not being able to incorporate extreme musculature into their idea of femininity
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:48:04 (permalink)
    errr Medusa could you elaborate slightly please, im lost
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:49:47 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CheekyChappie
    I see a woman wanting to achieve extreme musculature the same as I would see a man wanting to develop large breasts.
    yep, I wanna know what you all really think, not what you think people think you should think.
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:50:42 (permalink)
    In fact there seems to be a double standard at work here. Many men on this site admit that they want to be extremely muscular because they want to be 'a freak', stand out as different from the rest of society.

    Yet when it comes to the women we all have to pretend as if that is a perfectly 'normal' look for a woman to achieve, I guess because no woman would describe herself as a 'freak', I dunno.
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:52:44 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    errr Medusa could you elaborate slightly please, im lost
    I thought I'd been concise enough, does my original post reflect your opinion?
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:53:48 (permalink)
    Of course anyone who admits feeling that extreme musculature is not a naturally feminine look will be labelled as a woman-hating chauvinist, I hope we all understand that!

    Bodybuilding/strength training is mostly about machismo.
    the proper role for women is that of sex object/eye candy/trophy to enhance the status of the men.



    I don't feel this at all. I just don't find large muscles feminine, like you probably don't find breasts and a high pitched voice masculine.
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:55:40 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Medusa
    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    errr Medusa could you elaborate slightly please, im lost
    I thought I'd been concise enough, does my original post reflect your opinion?

    forgive me but im low carbing and its a little much for me to process in my current state.

    i dont agree with your first paragraph, im just unclear as to what you mean by the second paragraph
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 17:59:42 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CheekyChappie
    Of course anyone who admits feeling that extreme musculature is not a naturally feminine look will be labelled as a woman-hating chauvinist, I hope we all understand that!
    I think it's more about whether we expect conformity to convention as to what constitutes masculine or feminine, and of course there is a whole debate around what we mean by 'natural' when we say a thing is or isnt natural.

    It's possible to argue that just about anything is or isnt 'natural'.
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:04:05 (permalink)
    Are you asking is it considered to be masculine for a female to take up what is stereotypically viewed as a masculine activity and as such is frowned upon?
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:04:54 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    forgive me but im low carbing and its a little much for me to process in my current state.

    i dont agree with your first paragraph, im just unclear as to what you mean by the second paragraph
    lol, OK,
    men who strength train could be said to be following convention, therefore women who do it are going against convention.

    People who are conventional tend not to feel comfortable with those who go against it, their world view is threatened, because of that men who strength train will tend to reject women who do it, rather than welcoming them on the basis of their shared interest.
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:07:55 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mikewats

    TIO ur gettin all confused, i'll sum it up for you.

    muscles=men
    tits=woman

    this approach makes life easy to manage, you like it black and white, no confusing shades of grey to deal with?
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:11:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Medusa
    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    forgive me but im low carbing and its a little much for me to process in my current state.

    i dont agree with your first paragraph, im just unclear as to what you mean by the second paragraph
    lol, OK,
    men who strength train could be said to be following convention, therefore women who do it are going against convention.

    People who are conventional tend not to feel comfortable with those who go against it, their world view is threatened, because of that men who strength train will tend to reject women who do it, rather than welcoming them on the basis of their shared interest.

    Thank you for that!

    Right my tuppence worth on here

    I think what youre referring to isn't convention but more a stereotype.

    I for one am not against it, im actually for it for a number of reasons.

    i like to see people feel the pleasure i feel when i lift weights, in terms of seeing their physique change for the better, the endorphin rush and the sense of self worth and achievement that comes with breaking things like personal bests and learning something new and how to do it better. Finding their limits and then pushing beyond them

    In fact my current girlfriend is a fitness manager and trains at the moment. I find that a woman who trains is synonymous with generally leading a active and healthy lifestyle which in turn would/does fit in with my own requirements/interests.

    Theres a girl in my gym who is competing this weekend, first time for her and shes going for a pro card, she looks more feminine than the vast majority of girls in there that dont train with weights. i can only see weight training being a positive influence on any womans life as how often do you hear of quite a few saying they would like nicer legs./bum.hips etc etc, well weights will help achieve that.

    The only time IMO that is does cross the line of femininity is when they abuse androgenic gear and start to look and sound like a pre-op transsexual
    post edited by theiopener - 2008/05/14 18:13:11
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:12:01 (permalink)
    Well humans have evolved (or God has made us, whichever you prefer!) with certain obvious physical differences which kick in at puberty. Notable men become more muscular, get ddeper voices and facial hair. Women get larger hips and breasts.

    After hundreds and thousands of years of this, we instinctively recognise these tings as inherently masculine and feminine traits. And of course, in the case of men's changes, it is the hormone testosterone which produces them. Which is why to achieve extreme musculature women have to use testosterone, which brings with it the other male sexual characteristics (facial hair, deeper voice and the other one which I'm too polite to mention.)

    So effectively, female bodybuilders are pursuing a male, secondary sexual characterisstic. Hence my analogy with a man choosing to pursue large breasts. I see it as a direct analogy.
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:14:23 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Mikewats
    TIO ur gettin all confused, i'll sum it up for you.

    muscles=men
    tits=woman

    how are you not banned yet?
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    RE: to sum up 2008/05/14 18:15:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Medusa


    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    forgive me but im low carbing and its a little much for me to process in my current state.

    i dont agree with your first paragraph, im just unclear as to what you mean by the second paragraph
    lol, OK,
    men who strength train could be said to be following convention, therefore women who do it are going against convention.

    People who are conventional tend not to feel comfortable with those who go against it, their world view is threatened, because of that men who strength train will tend to reject women who do it, rather than welcoming them on the basis of their shared interest.



    i'm gonna stop reading this thread now as my head hurts. I don't really see a point to Medusa's original post. If a woman wants to train fair enough if they wanna be a bimbo then fair enough. There will be men and women out there that find both extremes attractive in their own right.

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