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2011/03/21 18:57:00 (permalink)

weight gain vs whey protein

been going the gym for just over a month now started off at 13 stone,i want to get bigger so ive been taking mutant mass/mass tech.now im 14.5 stone and ive noticed my arms,shoulders and chest have got bigger/toned.but also noticed my belly has got bigger.
 
so my question is will my arms,shoulders,chest still grow if i stop the weight gain and switch on whey protein instead?or is there any thing specific i can do to reduce stomach fat?
 
im 6ft tall,14.5 stone,16" neck,42"chest,14" arms,36"waist,38" around stomach,25" thighs if it makes any difference to your answers.
 
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 19:06:36 (permalink)
    If you have gained a stone and a half in a month then the majority of that will have been fat (or water), hence why your belly has gotten bigger. That is far too much weight to be gaining in that amount of time and very little of it will be muscle.
     
    I think you are a bit confused though. Both weight gainer shakes or regular protein shakes are just supplements to your diet - your diet will determine your results, not the supplements you're using. If you have put on that much weight then you are consuming far too many calories. Mutant mass though has a lot of sugar in it, I wouldn't recommend it for anybody except possibly ectomorphs with the fastest of metabolisms, which clearly you are not if you have gained that much weight in a month.
     
    So I would say forget the weight gainers as a matter of priority, and sort your diet out. If you feel you are unable to get sufficient protein from solid foods then consider adding in some form of protein shake to increase this.

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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 19:10:45 (permalink)
    ^ what CK said.
     
    Weight gainers and protein shakes are just supplements to help with you diet.
     
    Supplements should be implemented with your diet, not the other way around if you know what I mean.
     
    What's your typical diet like as a whole?  That is where you should start, you can get some top notch advise in the diet & nutrition section.
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 19:22:24 (permalink)
    As above your diet should be the first area to look at so your gaining weight at a reasonable weight with minimul fat......... a good whey protein will stand you in good stead but personally I would ditch the weight gainers as mentioned above as they are high in carbs and alot of it in the form of sugars.
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 20:17:59 (permalink)
    my diet has got a lot better since i started going the gym,my average meals a day are
    09:00 i have 5 weetabix or a bowl of readybreak or scrambled egg on toast try to have different each day.
     
    11:00 i have a milkshake,been back on the mass-tech as the mutant mas made me bad.
     
    13:00 either baked potato,cooked chicken breast and beans or chicked and salad baguette with crisps,i have a banana too.
     
    16:00 milkshake again depending how i feel.
     
    18:00 chicken n veg pasta or a chicken salad sandwich.
     
    sometimes i will have fish instead of chicken and one a week i will have a kfc or something usually on saturday.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:14:51 (permalink)
    no offense intended but diet is really poor tbh, you need to read the articles on this site to learn the basics of bodybuilding nutrition. once youve done that structure a new diet which is realistic and which you can stick to and post it up for critique in the d+n forum
     
    ditch the mass-tech...well, not entirely. finish what you have then stop using it. £33 for 10 servings is a joke and its crammed full of simple sugars (ie. maltodetrin which costs f*ck all anyway. myprotein sells malto for £12.49 for 5kg)

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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:20:40 (permalink)
    ^Yep, diet is very poor. If you have gained a stone and a half in a month on that diet then something is very very wrong, you must have the slowest metabolism imaginable and I'd be willing to bet your training is nowhere near as intense and/or heavy as it needs to be.
     
    Seems like a total rethink towards your training and diet is required here mate, if you keep up what you are doing you will be on the road to a Dreamer Bulk.

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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:24:37 (permalink)
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    ^Yep, diet is very poor. If you have gained a stone and a half in a month on that diet then something is very very wrong, you must have the slowest metabolism imaginable and I'd be willing to bet your training is nowhere near as intense and/or heavy as it needs to be.

    Seems like a total rethink towards your training and diet is required here mate, if you keep up what you are doing you will be on the road to a Dreamer Bulk.

     
    What the hell was that boy eating and what was his training like to end up like that?!?
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:29:20 (permalink)
    can you recomend another sup to replace the mass tech?must be from this shop though.http://www.thesupplementstore.co.uk/
     
    tbh im not looking to have a 100% perfect diet,ive cut a lot of crap from diet so far which im pretty happy with at the moment,plus im quite a picky eater dont like certain veg ect,and i dont have a lot of time to get perfect meals.thanks for the replys and top advice.
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:32:01 (permalink)
    i think alot of the weight i gained was down to the mutant mass and its sugar,before i started the gym i could gain and loose a stone in a month easily.my weight goes up and down.i was having full servings of the mutant from the start but now ive stopped it.
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:32:03 (permalink)
    i think alot of the weight i gained was down to the mutant mass and its sugar,before i started the gym i could gain and loose a stone in a month easily.my weight goes up and down.i was having full servings of the mutant from the start but now ive stopped it.
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 21:42:43 (permalink)
    craig2011
    can you recomend another sup to replace the mass tech?

     
    Nothing? Why are you assuming that you need anything? You absolutely do not need a weight gainer.
     
    I'd say get yourself some basic whey, pretty much anything as long as it has a decent protein percentage (anything in or around 80g per 100g or higher will be ideal). Whey is a useful way of getting extra protein quickly and conveniently, and also it is fast-digesting so perfect for post-workout. Other than that, you have to see these supplements for what they are, an aid to your diet.
     
    -A poor diet + a few protein shakes a day will do nothing
     
    -A poor diet + a few weight gainer shakes a day will do nothing either except possibly make you fat because of all the sugar.
     
    -A good diet including a few protein shakes IF NECESSARY is what you need to get results.
     
    Saying that you don't want a good diet and that you are a picky eater and you don't have the time to make meals, etc yet you still want to get good results, is like saying that you want to get good at playing guitar but you don't want to practice because you don't have the time. Your results will come from your diet and nowhere else, and that's the reality I'm afraid! So suck it up! None of us enjoy stuffing ourselves with clean food until we feel sick but if that's what it takes to get enough nutrients to grow then so be it!

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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 22:33:38 (permalink)
    which is the best whey protein that has the least sugars ect?
     
    i understand what you are saying its just very hard for me to comit to a very clean diet,im trying my best.before i started my daily intake consisted of 1 full meal a day usually a full breakfast of some sort of junk food and a few snacks in between.so im quite pleased how much ive cleaned up so far.i never used to eat any fruit or veg and now i do.
     
    is it ok to ask here why my diet is so poor?
     
    cheers for your help,i'm still new and learning so your advice is appreciated.
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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 22:54:05 (permalink)
    I'd put up a post in the diet section to get better responses for your diet. But in short, you're not eating enough protein, low-GI carb sources and essential fats.
     
    As for whey, it is much of a muchness and there are loads to try in terms of taste, etc. but I would recommend some whey concentrate from Bulkpowders or MyProtein. 80% protein, not much sugar, and tastes delish.

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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 23:03:08 (permalink)
    a 'very clean diet' isnt hard...just use fresh meats like fish, lean mince, braising steak, steak, chicken breasts, turkey etc
     
    ill be putting up some recipes soon with a breakdown of total nutritional info and cals, will link them to you when im finished - will help you out a lot. take a day off sometime and cook all day and freeze enough stuff to last a while, then you only need to defrost 3/4 meals the night before and heat. add some rice/pasta and maybe some healthy fats and youre sorted

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    Re:weight gain vs whey protein 2011/03/21 23:09:16 (permalink)
    i will try and make my diet better.is this any good?
     
    http://www.thesupplements...ts-nutritional-details
     
    kaldog that would be very help full,i dont eat steak but love chicken and turkey.ive been making my own pasta with cooked chicken breast,peas,mushrooms and onions,but thats the only thing ive made so far as it was easy.
    post edited by craig2011 - 2011/03/21 23:13:54
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