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what are the consequences of injecting in a vein??

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2006/07/10 12:06:52 (permalink)

what are the consequences of injecting in a vein??

what happens if I do end up somehow injecting my juice in a vein... I understand it's not a good thing but let's say it happens... how bad is it??
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/10 12:36:03 (permalink)
    well, you can die from it mate.
    Quite simple, when you inject - aspirate, if you see blood in the syringe, take it out put on a new pin and go again.

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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/10 12:59:59 (permalink)
    My training partner injected into a vein or nicked one, he said he got a metalic taste in his mouth, sweated like a bitch for about 10 mins and generally felt like ****, 1/2 hour later he was fine, not recommended so allways asperate before hand he learnt the hard way.
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/10 14:33:48 (permalink)
    but what if you aspirate then the needle moves slightly before or while your injecting, couldnt it just end up going into a vein anyway?
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/10 14:37:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: happyharry

    My training partner injected into a vein or nicked one, he said he got a metalic taste in his mouth, sweated like a bitch for about 10 mins and generally felt like ****, 1/2 hour later he was fine, not recommended so allways asperate before hand he learnt the hard way.

    how do you know he injected into a vein though? is it because it was bleeding when he pulled the needle out? because that doesnt mean it went into a vein. maybe he was just sweating etc because he was so worried that he had injected into a vein when he actually hadnt. just a thought.
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/10 17:11:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: j_l

    but what if you aspirate then the needle moves slightly before or while your injecting, couldnt it just end up going into a vein anyway?


    A needle has one opening in it; at the bottom. Provided your needle is set in muscle tissue (which it would be if no blood enters the syringe), then wiggling it laterally would be highly unlikely to lead to a vein being hit. Primarily because none are present in muscle tissue. The only way this would cause a problem is if one were to drag the needle backwards whilst aspirating.

    On a seperate note, for the most part, whilst it is certainly possible to die from injecting intravenously, is is near impossible to kill oneself if injecting autonomously (unless you jab the liquid in as hard as you can). This is primarily because the upshot of injecting an oil or water based substance into the blood stream is for the body to convulse violently, effectively rendering you incapable of pushing any more liquid in. Obviously, if someone else is injecting you and ****s up, you have no say in it and it is possible for the complication to be fatal.

    Remember, always inject slowly, and you'll be fine.
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 00:05:17 (permalink)
    yeah I always aspirate... just sometimes I've slid the needle back or even in a little more.... and thn worry if I'm gonna f'n die!! hahah!!

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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 03:38:16 (permalink)
    Well depending on the substance, if its injected into a vein or artery it could travel to the lungs and cause a pulmonary embolism or a stroke.
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 05:13:10 (permalink)
    very good, posh boy
    ORIGINAL: timr


    ORIGINAL: j_l

    but what if you aspirate then the needle moves slightly before or while your injecting, couldnt it just end up going into a vein anyway?


    A needle has one opening in it; at the bottom. Provided your needle is set in muscle tissue (which it would be if no blood enters the syringe), then wiggling it laterally would be highly unlikely to lead to a vein being hit. Primarily because none are present in muscle tissue. The only way this would cause a problem is if one were to drag the needle backwards whilst aspirating.

    On a seperate note, for the most part, whilst it is certainly possible to die from injecting intravenously, is is near impossible to kill oneself if injecting autonomously (unless you jab the liquid in as hard as you can). This is primarily because the upshot of injecting an oil or water based substance into the blood stream is for the body to convulse violently, effectively rendering you incapable of pushing any more liquid in. Obviously, if someone else is injecting you and ****s up, you have no say in it and it is possible for the complication to be fatal.

    Remember, always inject slowly, and you'll be fine.

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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 12:04:05 (permalink)
    Heh, yeah I just read that back, was in between making job applications so I was attempting to perform at my scholarly best xP
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 12:27:14 (permalink)
    This is primarily because the upshot of injecting an oil or water based substance into the blood stream is for the body to convulse violently,


    I dont understand this,

    Recreational drug users shoot IV and they can be putting crushed tablets, powders and even the contents of those Tamizipam "jelly' capsules in with water and they certainly dont convulse violently at all and virtually all do thier own shots.

    Can you explain this please?

    Thanks, Rich
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 12:39:09 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: timr

    Heh, yeah I just read that back, was in between making job applications so I was attempting to perform at my scholarly best xP


    Hi, yes indeed its all very Scholarly but its also nonsense im affraid.




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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 12:45:43 (permalink)
    Primarily because none are present in muscle tissue. The only way this would cause a problem is if one were to drag the needle backwards whilst aspirating.


    Im sorry but dont understand this either?

    If there are none present in muscle tissue and , lets say for example we are injecting the glute muscle, why would pulling back slightly be a worry for hitting a vein if non are present?

    If we have caused muscle trauma (which we will have) by simply pushing a needle thru the muscle fibres, would pulling back slightly simply not mean that the injection fluid would simply get dispersed over a slighly wider area and maybe just cause some more infamation of the injection site area by being absorbed in the damaged fibres?

    Interested in your thoughts on this, Cheers
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 13:04:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: timr

    A needle has one opening in it; at the bottom. Provided your needle is set in muscle tissue (which it would be if no blood enters the syringe), then wiggling it laterally would be highly unlikely to lead to a vein being hit. Primarily because none are present in muscle tissue. The only way this would cause a problem is if one were to drag the needle backwards whilst aspirating.
    Disagree, there are certainly veins running through muscle tissue


    On a seperate note, for the most part, whilst it is certainly possible to die from injecting intravenously, is is near impossible to kill oneself if injecting autonomously (unless you jab the liquid in as hard as you can). This is primarily because the upshot of injecting an oil or water based substance into the blood stream is for the body to convulse violently, effectively rendering you incapable of pushing any more liquid in. Obviously, if someone else is injecting you and ****s up, you have no say in it and it is possible for the complication to be fatal.
    Injecting a large amount of oil into a vein will tend to collapse that vein and cause some internal bleeding. Injecting a small amount will tend to cause coughing due to pulmonary oil microembolism

    Convulsing would not happen unless the brain was effected, and oil reaching the brain would be rather rare and could well lead to brain damage. If you're convulsing then this is a very bad sign indeed. Luckily convulsions from an IM injection are not something I've ever heard of happening personally


    Remember, always inject slowly, and you'll be fine.
    Agree!
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 22:06:53 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Trident

    Primarily because none are present in muscle tissue. The only way this would cause a problem is if one were to drag the needle backwards whilst aspirating.


    Im sorry but dont understand this either?

    If there are none present in muscle tissue and , lets say for example we are injecting the glute muscle, why would pulling back slightly be a worry for hitting a vein if non are present?

    If we have caused muscle trauma (which we will have) by simply pushing a needle thru the muscle fibres, would pulling back slightly simply not mean that the injection fluid would simply get dispersed over a slighly wider area and maybe just cause some more infamation of the injection site area by being absorbed in the damaged fibres?

    Interested in your thoughts on this, Cheers


    Well I didn't mean a slight pulling back, what I meant was provided that you've put the needle in to muscle tissue, you're highly unlikely to hit a vein. Following from this, the reference to 'pulling back' was meant to infer pulling the needle out of the muscle tissue, at which point you would run the risk of hitting a blood vessel.

    ORIGINAL: drab4

    Disagree, there are certainly veins running through muscle tissue



    didn't know that! Never heard of anyone having any problems of intravenous injection once the needle has passed into muscle tissue. I stand corrected.

    ORIGINAL: drab4

    Injecting a large amount of oil into a vein will tend to collapse that vein and cause some internal bleeding. Injecting a small amount will tend to cause coughing due to pulmonary oil microembolism

    Convulsing would not happen unless the brain was effected, and oil reaching the brain would be rather rare and could well lead to brain damage. If you're convulsing then this is a very bad sign indeed. Luckily convulsions from an IM injection are not something I've ever heard of happening personally



    I heard first hand of a guy that had said he did it, and that basically yes (although it was a cough) it was an extremely violent one, and he said it rendered him incapable of injecting further. Must admit, I've never actually toyed with steroids myself, so perhaps I'm not best placed to answer questions concerning their use.
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 22:42:56 (permalink)
    Well I didn't mean a slight pulling back, what I meant was provided that you've put the needle in to muscle tissue, you're highly unlikely to hit a vein. Following from this, the reference to 'pulling back' was meant to infer pulling the needle out of the muscle tissue, at which point you would run the risk of hitting a blood vessel.


    Still non-sense bro

    If you shoot a muscle with an IM shot then the needle has to go deep in to the muscle to deliver the shot effectivly. Thus you would need to pull the needle a "huge%" backwards to come out of the muscle. If you did then you would either shoot the fluid uner the skin (sub c) or into the fleshy tissue. Niether scenario is realy going to happen unless the person doin the shot was so daft they were clueless. Even then your not going to start throwing yourself round the room!
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 22:49:17 (permalink)
    didn't know that! Never heard of anyone having any problems of intravenous injection once the needle has passed into muscle tissue. I stand corrected.


    This statement does show that you have no knowledge of injections what so ever, even the basics.

    When you inject a muscle it is a IM (intramuscular) IV (Intravenous) is when an injection fluid is injected straight in to a vein.

    Im sorry for being blunt mate, but injecting any drug in to the body is a risk, bad information makes this risk 100 times greater and theere is no need to do this.

    Regards, Rich
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/11 22:58:02 (permalink)
    timr, its all been said mate imo best to avoid subjects you know little about when they could have serious consequenses. drab4 and trident have put eveyone back on the right track. i would add though even though your descriptions of what happen are incorrect as i have added many times it would be extremely unfortunate for a bb to experience significant health implications from accidently nicking a vein while injecting for reasons drab mentions. correct injection technique (aspirating) allows virtually no chance that you can inject directly into a vein. i have not yet seen anyone in anyway harmed (regarding this subject) from im injection in hundreds of shots on myself and thousands on other people after 10 years nearly as a nurse.
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    RE: what are the consequences of injecting in a vein?? 2006/07/12 00:29:16 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Trident

    didn't know that! Never heard of anyone having any problems of intravenous injection once the needle has passed into muscle tissue. I stand corrected.


    This statement does show that you have no knowledge of injections what so ever, even the basics.

    When you inject a muscle it is a IM (intramuscular) IV (Intravenous) is when an injection fluid is injected straight in to a vein.

    Im sorry for being blunt mate, but injecting any drug in to the body is a risk, bad information makes this risk 100 times greater and theere is no need to do this.

    Regards, Rich

    correct


    I find that injections are best while Im facing southeast and standing on my head! It relieves intraocular pressure thus allowing me to be more annoying POST INJECTION. I hope this info was as useful as the rest of this tread.

    just funning with ya....LOL
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