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2015/01/20 16:06:36 (permalink)
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what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol

I have both halo and epi along with support supps and serm.
 
Even after reading the numerous threads about these ph's i still am undecided which will give the best results. Aim is lean bulk / recomp.
 
I plan on running epistane @ 30mg/6 weeks or 30/30/45/45/45
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Halo @ 75mg for 40 days.
 
Supports supps, preload hawthorn berry and NAC on cycle.
 
PCT: tamoxifen 20/20/10/10 with DAA and extra vit. D
 
Calorie surplus of between 500-1000 cals/day w/ 200-250g protein
 
currently weigh in at 81kgs, 36yrs, trained for just under a yr.
 
what do you guys think, halo or epi and why ?
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/20 16:28:48 (permalink)
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Why not stacking both?
Anyway less than a year of training is a little time of training
You should think about going on PH´s with that time of training,i would wait a bit more...
post edited by Hispano - 2015/01/20 16:30:18
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/21 22:18:18 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby ILLBehaviour 2015/01/23 10:06:34
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Preference would be Halo - but only once at a natural plateau that would typically occur 2 or 3 years into training especially if you've not trained before. 12 months is a bit soon.

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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/21 23:46:44 (permalink)
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Agree with the other guys, you could do with at least 2 and preferably 3yrs natural training before using ph/ds's.
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/22 16:18:16 (permalink)
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^this
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/22 17:16:07 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby ILLBehaviour 2015/01/23 10:06:48
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I trained for 5 years without any hormonal assist. Definitely better that way. 
 
One of the reasons being: When you take steroids you will get stronger and will be able to lift more weight but with not much "time under the bar" your tendons, joints etc wont be able to handle what your muscles can and it's a quick way to develop serious injuries that will hamper your gains for years.
 
There are more reasons, i just think this one is worth pointing out.

I smoke. A lot. And i eat full fat mayo. So suck on that! ;-)
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/22 18:32:43 (permalink)
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^this
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/23 10:35:27 (permalink)
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skinnyfat
I trained for 5 years without any hormonal assist. Definitely better that way. 
 
One of the reasons being: When you take steroids you will get stronger and will be able to lift more weight but with not much "time under the bar" your tendons, joints etc wont be able to handle what your muscles can and it's a quick way to develop serious injuries that will hamper your gains for years.
 
There are more reasons, i just think this one is worth pointing out.




thanks for the advice, it has been understood that prior to posting that many people would advise against taking a ph with less than 2 yrs training. Before posting I searched the internet far and wide, this was generally the rule of thumb although many people had still either successfully or unsuccessfully used ph's and logged their progress, some good and some bad.
I had in my search however never come across anyone explaining why ph's are not recommended for people with less training time under their belt so I appreciate you taking time to give me an explanation as opposed to saying you haven't trained long enough or wait a couple of years.
I didn't mention that I have actually trained previously over the years just not consistent like I have since the beginning of last year , it was more sort of training on and off over the years with no training plan.
After an off faze I decided to get serious and work on a proper training plan and get my diet in check and here i am.
 
 
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/23 12:02:32 (permalink)
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Above explanation isn't the only reason, it also has to do with experience and learning, you need to have both, you need to be able to grow and maintain and adjust your diet naturally, or PEDs will be a waste of time. PHs enhance recovery, but you still need to be able to grow. Sounds simple, and it is, WHEN you've figured out what works for you.
 
Otherwise you'll be another "yo-yo" ph user. Up and down, up and down.
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/23 16:34:23 (permalink)
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I hate epi I ran it a few times with other ph. Go with hdrol
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/23 16:57:25 (permalink)
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snap
 
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/23 18:17:42 (permalink)
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I've looked for the answer to this question myself, and never found a conclusive answer.
 
As such popular designers surely there's plenty of people who've used both and can report what was good and bad about each?
 
I haven't tried them yet but still intend to give both a try, if nothing else just so I can finally answer this old question lol
 
Some people hate epi but then again epi is supposed to be a lot like winny which I absolutely love (but many also hate), having sand in your joints sucks but overall I like it so much it's almost worth it as my main anabolic to use all the time. If epi is like winny but easier on the joints (as some have told me), I reckon I'll like it very much indeed.
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/24 04:09:49 (permalink)
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epi is worse on joints than winni, it is a good anabolic, but not for me again, ****ed with my digestion too.
halo, is meh, in my opinion, does the job i suppose but feel it excels in no area.
 
if these were the only 2 designers available, I would be fine with that as they both work.
 
as to which is better, it depends on the dose, the user and the effort/goals.
Its almost impossible to say categorically one steroid is better than another, as they all have their niche.
 
for me, results on epi were superior, and at a much lower dose than halo (45mg vs 100-125mg halo) but halo cycle sucked less, but was still on the ''negative'' side of the steroid spectrum, both cause lethargy, dry joints, sap motivation, and don't provide any positives, ie hunger and mental boosts etc.
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/24 12:27:53 (permalink)
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well i bit the bullet earlier in the week, flipped a coin and went with epi for a first run. Whether i have made the right or wrong decision remains to be seen, time will tell.
I feel my diet is in check (myfitness pal has been an absolute asset to me where this is concerned) and my training is consistent.
The one thing i don't want to become is a yo yo ph user or lifter, this is something i have already given some thought to and can see that it could be easy to put in a lot of effort and achieve nothing.
 
Out of interest Simon what ph's do you rate ?
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/24 13:38:36 (permalink)
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Rate a lot of them.
for results, but won't use, SD.

For results plus that good "on" feeling
lmg
m14add
m4ohn
Dianadrol
Dimethabold


Others that are legit but not run.
mithras
protobol
msten

And many more.
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/24 23:22:32 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/01/25 06:32:47
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Halo was my first PH and it rocked. Did EPI and didn't like it as much. Coin flippin' is the same as never posting this thread ha ha. Best of luck though.

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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/26 11:06:15 (permalink)
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You're not wrong, flipped a coin as there seems to be no definitive answer, everyone has a different opinion and these vary massively, from those who had a great experience on either epi or halo to those who don't really rate either of them like simon has said. 
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/26 14:30:38 (permalink)
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Really?
Simon said?

How very dare you! Lol
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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/27 09:48:13 (permalink)
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They'll be telling you to go on X-Factor next, because you're not pretty but boy can you sing!!



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Re: what will give the best results for a first cycle Epistane or Halodrol 2015/01/27 11:55:12 (permalink)
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A haha
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