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whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very hard cardio?

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2008/05/16 00:20:10 (permalink)

whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very hard cardio?

as above really, i am bored of being out of shape from a cardio point of view and want to hit the cardio again hard, on the flip side i dont fancy a heart attack.

so currently about 21 stone at about 22% bf and on an overall dose of steroids of about 1.5g ew. i would be interested in what people consider to be a 'safe' dose to run if i want to get rapidly back into running/sprinting etc.

i am thinking along the lines of 500mg test ew and 400mg ew primo or masteron?

obviously my weight already puts an additional strain on my heart and the steroids may in theory also not help, so any ideas?
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 00:21:57 (permalink)
    just use a bit of test and some anti e's to keep the water off

    wont affect your cardio then

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 00:25:59 (permalink)
    woah you're a big unit, Ian! remind me not to piss you off.

    so are you looking to cut down then or are you just wanting to maintain weight?
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 00:28:03 (permalink)
    Don't you box iHawk? IIRC you used to run quite heavy cyles whilst boxing (I may be wrong!). Just I was going to ask something similar, as I;m currently boxing a lot, and ill be in winter when I want to bulk up, and was worried that if I go onto 1.5-2.5g of gear on top of boxing I'd sharp keel over lol

    Anyway I'm no help to you, but interested in what people say in the thread
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 00:44:09 (permalink)
    Don't you box iHawk? IIRC you used to run quite heavy cyles whilst boxing (I may be wrong!). Just I was going to ask something similar, as I;m currently boxing a lot, and ill be in winter when I want to bulk up, and was worried that if I go onto 1.5-2.5g of gear on top of boxing I'd sharp keel over lol

    Anyway I'm no help to you, but interested in what people say in the thread


    i did mate but have become lazy with it and tbh didnt comit properly to what i wanted to achieve. kick boxing is for me now and that will be part of my cardio.

    just use a bit of test and some anti e's to keep the water off

    wont affect your cardio then


    need to maintain size though as well mate to a certain extent, it will be a fine balance.

    woah you're a big unit, Ian! remind me not to piss you off.

    so are you looking to cut down then or are you just wanting to maintain weight?


    not as big as it sounds mate as i am 6'6" which of course i did nothing to earn so was bigish compared to most people to start with.

    i fanny about with this bulking cutting thing all the time to be honest and have never been 100% happy yet, my aim for this summer would be about 18 stone at a genuine 12% bf

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 00:44:16 (permalink)
    No set figure mate you no your body, just play it by ear.

    I think you could function well off 1g test ew with just some anti e's chucked in there.

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 00:50:22 (permalink)
    No set figure mate you no your body, just play it by ear.

    I think you could function well off 1g test ew with just some anti e's chucked in there.


    true to an extent mate but you to often here about people whos heart suddenly gives up as they excersise for some reason or another, dont get me wrong i think dose wise you are about right from my thinking, it would be good to get a concensus and also if there is any research out there which could be losely applied?
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 01:01:08 (permalink)
    I think you've just got to ease yourself into it and let the body re-adjust.

    The people dropping dead playing sports etc. are not just aas users are they - and alot of the time are very fit.

    Obviously gear plays into having a healthy and working heart but on 1g ew i dont think its to much of a problem. (I know of 2 speed cyclist that take 750mg and 1g test a week along with EPO yet cope with the cardio fine.

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 02:59:10 (permalink)
    If you're doing sprint work / interval training I wouldn't worry about it, again chuck in a bit of nolva and if you have the budget, EPO.

    Sprints won't be adversely effected I don't think long distance you may suffer. I box a lot but I dunno why some people are waiting till after summer ot do their cycle, season starts in september major comps early as Dec, so if you're gonna compete at a decent level now is the time for a strength cycle giving yourself long enough time off to beat the tests.


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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 06:09:31 (permalink)
    YOU HAVE MAIL IHAWK

    x-fire gaming nickname - tigernut. and tell me ya from MT cos i'll deleted ya if ya dont! :)
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 07:40:58 (permalink)
    I might go with 250mg per week of test along with a non-aromatising or very lightly aromatising androgen of your choice mate

    Masteron, primo, var, halo, tren, possibly winny, or whatever you get on best with really

    Main thing as you know is that you don't want to be carrying any water bloat whilst trying to do a shedload of cardio. Bloat just kills stamina

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 08:40:34 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ihawk

    woah you're a big unit, Ian! remind me not to piss you off.

    so are you looking to cut down then or are you just wanting to maintain weight?


    not as big as it sounds mate as i am 6'6" which of course i did nothing to earn so was bigish compared to most people to start with.

    i fanny about with this bulking cutting thing all the time to be honest and have never been 100% happy yet, my aim for this summer would be about 18 stone at a genuine 12% bf




    haha only 6'6? oh well that's different- I'm forever knocking out 20 stone giants! get through about 5 a week!


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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 11:00:31 (permalink)
    With the concerns you have about cardiac health, i would be inclined to suggest something along the lines that Drab has

    And more importantly follow a strict pre comp diet, 350 grm protein (ish) 300-400grms carbs (ish) 100grms fats (ish), starting off for 1st 4 weeks with fasted a.m cardio, and maybe some hillwalking in the evening,And perhaps increase the intensity every 4 weeks (as the weight falls off)

    As you mentioned it is a fine balance retaining the tissue you have built, with that in mind and the heart issues i think slow and steady will win the race

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 11:06:43 (permalink)
    Without stating the obvious, to begin with SS cardio will be your best bet. Just to get the body used to something, get a basic level of fitness up and maybe drop the BF down a tad. As you fitness improves you can start to up the anti a little bit. Maybe start with lower impact cardio, bikes etc and work towards the tougher stuff as you improve.

    In a similar mindset as yourself right now (altho adjust stats to 6'1 and 16'7). I do cardio year round but with teh lower cals right now have found the more intense stuff can make me feel a little woozy

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 11:06:52 (permalink)
    I might go with 250mg per week of test along with a non-aromatising or very lightly aromatising androgen of your choice mate

    Masteron, primo, var, halo, tren, possibly winny, or whatever you get on best with really

    Main thing as you know is that you don't want to be carrying any water bloat whilst trying to do a shedload of cardio. Bloat just kills stamina


    my thoughts mate but hoped 500mg test would be ok alongside 50mg prov ed and masteron/primo at 400mg ew. as you say one thing is to get water under control which i know at the moment is causing my breathlessness putting my socks on

    cheers for all the other input and yes i am aware that dropping dead of a heart attack while excerising does not go hand in hand with gear use but i do think we increase the risk to out hearts slightly over time.

    epo is not an option for me tbh i wouldnt want to use it without very regular blood tests.


    lots of food for thought, thanks.
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 11:11:51 (permalink)
    Without stating the obvious, to begin with SS cardio will be your best bet. Just to get the body used to something, get a basic level of fitness up and maybe drop the BF down a tad. As you fitness improves you can start to up the anti a little bit. Maybe start with lower impact cardio, bikes etc and work towards the tougher stuff as you improve.

    In a similar mindset as yourself right now (altho adjust stats to 6'1 and 16'7). I do cardio year round but with teh lower cals right now have found the more intense stuff can make me feel a little woozy


    that would be the sensible thing to do mate no doubt about that, tbh though ss bores me senseless so i was hopeing to just get back on with running but will perhaps leave out the sprints etc for now. i also want to get the job done rapidly tbh, tbh when i think about it this is pretty much a yearly occurance at about this time. i need to look at steady gains accross the year from now on i think instead of bulking and cutting each year.
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 11:28:56 (permalink)
    IMHO for that purpose you describe I would do 150mg prop, 100mg masteron EOD.

    Prop because in general people seem to hold less water on it, and masteron for its obvious benefits with being a slight anti-estrogen as well and SHBG binding properties etc.

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 11:39:41 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ihawk

    that would be the sensible thing to do mate no doubt about that, tbh though ss bores me senseless so i was hopeing to just get back on with running but will perhaps leave out the sprints etc for now. i also want to get the job done rapidly tbh, tbh when i think about it this is pretty much a yearly occurance at about this time. i need to look at steady gains accross the year from now on i think instead of bulking and cutting each year.


    It's like I'm reading my own mind when you post LOL.... I keep getting fed up with just starting to look decent then deciding to bulk and within a few weeks not liking what I see in the mirror, I at least want to get to the point where if I do 'bulk' (altho leaning towards leaner slower gains nowadays) I still look half decent not 3 months dietting away from where I want to be

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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 12:05:50 (permalink)
    IMHO for that purpose you describe I would do 150mg prop, 100mg masteron EOD.

    Prop because in general people seem to hold less water on it, and masteron for its obvious benefits with being a slight anti-estrogen as well and SHBG binding properties etc.

    mcl


    sounds good mate but tbh (as i should have mentiond) i have a shed load of test enan and sust which ideally i would like to keep using, masteron is one of my favourites though and i have some wc masteron prop and enan so plenty for many weeks at say 400mg ew.

    It's like I'm reading my own mind when you post LOL.... I keep getting fed up with just starting to look decent then deciding to bulk and within a few weeks not liking what I see in the mirror, I at least want to get to the point where if I do 'bulk' (altho leaning towards leaner slower gains nowadays) I still look half decent not 3 months dietting away from where I want to be


    its mental tbh mate and i have been the same for a good few years now, even though people tell you you look fine/good whatever at a certain weight it never quite sits rights with you. i am 99% sure i will cut hard as usual and then feel skinny (as usual).
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    RE: whats the most amount of steroids you would use (suggest) while doing regular very har 2008/05/16 12:47:54 (permalink)
    Upper limit would probably be a gram a week of a moderate-speed test - eg enanthate and bollocks to the other "more anabolic than androgenic" meds.

    That said, I've never been close to weighing 21 stone.

    The extra cardio and a bit of attention to the diet will keep aromatisation to a minimum anyway.
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