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2004/02/23 13:10:34 (permalink)
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why do people train in "weeks"

hopefully, this is not relevant to anybody on this board, but on the off chacnce it is, i will write this:

i guy i met at the gym the other day inadvertently prompted me to write this... generally aimed at beginners and gym "goers" as opposed to gym "users".

i am very interested to know. from a recovery point of veiw it is silly. how do you know if your muscles are ready for the next session?

take your average 3 day split, push, pull, legs. [order unimportant]

lets say your 3 days are mon wed and fri. you did your legs on friday, then you do them again the following friday, have you used your legs inbetween??? thought so.
if you went for a hike with your lady, ride with your friends or played any sports except golf, you used your legs...

and yet, without fail, you train your legs again on friday, just because they haven't got DOMS doesn't mean that it is productive to train them again. i see guys in the gym every week doing this "my cavles/hams/quads are so sore after that run i did two days ago" SO WHY ARE YOU SQUATTING??

or the guys at my work, "my arnms are killing after work today, not looking forward to the gym later" EH??

forget weeks, train in days, if you don't feel up to it, or you are not 100%, don't do it! simple as that. legs still sore, or been worked hard yesterday and its legs today, wait till tomorrow or do pull/push instead. don't think that your weekly split is the be all and end all, thats what i'm trying to get accross... recovery is as important as training in the firstplace.

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    symzie
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 13:41:39 (permalink)
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    Good stuff, the thing I'm doing atm is full body workout, then I just go back to gym when I think I'm ready, admittedly it is usually 3 - 4 days but nothing needs to be set in stone imo
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 13:59:09 (permalink)
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    Good post Robert, I was try to make some guys at my gym understand that you dont have to train in weeks. They didnt understand and just went cross eyed.
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 14:08:14 (permalink)
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    quote:
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    Good post Robert, I was try to make some guys at my gym understand that you dont have to train in weeks. They didnt understand and just went cross eyed.



    I generally tend to train in weeks out of convenience rather than design. For instance on a sunday I always do my deadlifts, holds, traps, grips and just enjoy may training as I can spend a bit of time doing it, likewise on a saturday.
    I can be flexible during the week with other sessions depending on work commitments etc but on the whole stick to the "wednesday for chest" type of routine.
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 14:33:59 (permalink)
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    I try to train in weeks but it quite often ends up as an 8 day week :)

    The reason I and probably other people work in weeks is that often there are commitments or sports on other days which unfortunately aren't so flexible! So if you miss a day you can end up being 3 days out before you know it...
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 15:13:54 (permalink)
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    symize, i too am on a full body workout, and then rest until recoverd, sometimes 2 days, sometimes 5 days. it is though, without a shadow of a doubt the best way i have ever trained.
    rob
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 15:39:33 (permalink)
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    I train in week but if i am feeling it i will drop a session as you suggest, I nomally do 4 days but for the past few weeks i have only made 3 just cos i know it would be a waste of time going down and doing a half assed workout
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 15:43:26 (permalink)
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    I raised a question on one of my posts with very little success in getting some responses, unfortunately, but I suggested weight training for a week and then a week off the weights to focus on cardio. So it would be first week weights, second week cardio, third week weights etc...
    My only concern was the down time between weight session? But some of you guys a waiting perhaps even five days before you hit the gym again, so perhaps in theroy my suggestion has some merit.

    What do you think?
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 15:49:09 (permalink)
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    well if you squatted on monday week#1 then you would run on monday week#2 and then only squat again on the monday of week#3. thats 14day with no stimulus, thats bad. 5 isn't. 5 days is enough to fully recover from the toughest of productive workouts and then be ready to go again.
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 18:10:19 (permalink)
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    This is why I'm leaning towards full-body workouts these days. From what I've read it takes a muscle about 48 hrs for FULL recovery. The CNS can take a few days and the PNS can take over a week if training to failure. Training just short of failure drastically reduces the recovry time of the PNS. So for me it seems like a full-body workout performed every 3-5 is the way to go.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.

    TUFF
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 18:11:36 (permalink)
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    your not wrong on anything as far as i am aware. FBworkouts rule.
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 18:33:50 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by tuffnutt

    This is why I'm leaning towards full-body workouts these days. From what I've read it takes a muscle about 48 hrs for FULL recovery. The CNS can take a few days and the PNS can take over a week if training to failure. Training just short of failure drastically reduces the recovry time of the PNS. So for me it seems like a full-body workout performed every 3-5 is the way to go.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.

    TUFF



    PNS and CNS???

    I like full body workouts as well
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 18:37:02 (permalink)
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    PNS - peripheral nervous system
    CNS - central nervous system
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 18:37:12 (permalink)
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    central nervous system = CNS = brain and spinal cord
    prehipeal nervous system = PNS = every other nerve in your body, with explicit reference to those controlling skeletal muscle
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 20:39:05 (permalink)
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    Rob -
    quote:
    if you went for a hike with your lady, ride with your friends or played any sports except golf, you used your legs...

    Your hearts in the right place mate and I agree with you almost totally with refferance to not training unless ready.
    But as in the quote above, that could be called active recovery and could infact help recovery times. Frequency is also utilised in westside.
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    RE: why do people train in "weeks" 2004/02/23 23:33:56 (permalink)
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    i am more than aware of that, but as you know, this is geared at total beginners, hence the quotes in the post. and mate, if you've ever been serious hiking, you'll know full well it aint no active recovery, neither is a game of rugby. but for a BBer in particular, frequency is less of an issue, even more so for a beginner. westside is not for beginners either.
    rob
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