YB
BannerBanner
Reply to post

why do supplements take so long

Author
leanmachine
Senior Member
  • Total Posts : 185
  • Reward points: 1618
  • Joined: 2006/05/31 13:17:59
  • Status: offline
2006/07/14 22:47:08 (permalink)
0

why do supplements take so long

why do supplement companys take so long are they afraid if they make anything too god with no side affects the drugs agencys will ban them.

8 Replies Related Threads

    leanmachine
    Senior Member
    • Total Posts : 185
    • Reward points: 1618
    • Joined: 2006/05/31 13:17:59
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/14 22:48:20 (permalink)
    0
    what is the future do you think for supplement companys, do u think that it will get worse.
    Mobster
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 20683
    • Reward points: 12997
    • Joined: 2002/04/20 20:15:47
    • Location: Aberdare
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 00:22:48 (permalink)
    0
    ORIGINAL: leanmachine

    why do supplement companys take so long are they afraid if they make anything too god with no side affects the drugs agencys will ban them.


    You don't actually say 'why they take so long to do...'. I'll presume you mean bring out good stuff. Short and sweet - money.

    Let's say the gaffer at such a company reads some research journal and an article catches their eye. A little reading and they notice that the main ingredient used in the experiment is a high cost version of a common chemical. CM used to cost £10.00 per 100g and as more and more brought it you can now get 500g for £9.99 or less. So they can either source said product at a high cost and jump the rest of their competition but lose out later on to cheaper suppliers (hard to drop prices) or wait until the volume of sales via multiple companies brings down the wholesale costs.

    The other side is R&D - most companies don't have one and so there is very little ongoing product development as such.

     
    Mobster
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 20683
    • Reward points: 12997
    • Joined: 2002/04/20 20:15:47
    • Location: Aberdare
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 00:29:30 (permalink)
    0
    ORIGINAL: leanmachine
    what is the future do you think for supplement companys, do u think that it will get worse.


    Sounds very negative and hints at thoughts of problems now - be descriptive in explaining why you think that.

    As someone who owns and operates such a company I'm hoping to look at a brighter future. We deliberatly avoid the silly advertizing claims many make - which may cause problems (check ads in MD for examples of claims by US companies of their product) and have aimed at a niche sector (bulk). We only sell proven products and stay away from 'fashionable' labels (ie: we only sell our own brand).

    Market research in the sports supplement sector only (not health as a whole) hints at growth. Example the big ten UK companies 4 years ago were selling about £45M per annum between them. Sports supps alone are looking at sales of £300m this year (2006-7).

    While the medical controls agency and trading standards occasionally bother a few companies and regardless of the £300M the sports supps sector is small fry compared to many. IE: we go under the radar.

     
    goneaway
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 1778
    • Reward points: 3100
    • Joined: 2004/10/05 11:59:18
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 09:24:43 (permalink)
    0
    seems to me that cissus is the new 'IN' product doing the rounds at the minute, there are a load of cissus products flooding the market and other supp's like jungle warfare, hyperdrol which are all cissus based.
    Mobster
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 20683
    • Reward points: 12997
    • Joined: 2002/04/20 20:15:47
    • Location: Aberdare
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 10:03:51 (permalink)
    0
    That's a bit like saying the sky is blue - no actual point. If you meant to infer that supplements come and supplements go then yes I agree. Cissus (I have no idea about this at all) may prove to be a valuable long term sound supplement (like whey and creatine) but will almost certainly not be.

    My knowledge and experience of the sport means I've seen a lot of voguish products, Mumie for example and god help me tried a bunch as well. One problem which happens is that some guys get an amazing response from a product and others nowt whatsoever. There have been a bunch of posts on Gakic extending the amount of reps trainees can do (endurance) but not of allowing them to be 10.5% stronger (lift more weight / strength) as per the claims. So it seems to work but not dramatically so. Similarly NO products give some a great pump and others sweet fanny adams (me). Voguish supplements like those mentioned will come and go. Esterizing products is a fave of the moment regardless of whether or not all supplements can benefit form being so treated, or that that is the optimal form for them to be taken in.

    For years casinates where all that was available to the average Joe and then whey made a name for itself. The price dropped to the point where, if you were based in the USA and brought tonnes at a time, you could pay $2.00 a kilo. Then we started seeing Caesins being mentioned again and later on Micellar Caesin. In some cases it was not necessarily better just different and therefore attractive, 'leading edge' and sellable. As the customer became more educated and more and more info was available on the net we saw products very quickly tested in the real world and so products will come and go much quicker than before. The list of those worthwhile and which have stood the test of time is still quite short.

    There is very little research done in any meaningful way by supplement companies that will speed up the bringing to market of products. They simply, no matter how succesful, do not have the cash. Muscletech claim to have set aside the most and it's still a small amount compared to a pharmaceutical company giant.

     
    goneaway
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 1778
    • Reward points: 3100
    • Joined: 2004/10/05 11:59:18
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 11:32:41 (permalink)
    0
    i agree with mobster, supp's come and supp's go, best way to really find out and do research is on forums like this the guys who have used the products you are interested in are the best to give advice on its effectivness. but as mobster says i may gain 10lb from a certain product you on the other hand may find it does squat !
    TREBOR
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 6492
    • Reward points: 3926
    • Joined: 2003/04/03 11:14:02
    • Location: Durham United Kingdom
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 11:41:06 (permalink)
    0
    I think some people expect way to much from supplements,they see the glossy ads for the latest must use product promising gains that are bordering on the ludicrous endorsed by a pro and really think that using that product is going to transfom there physique.
    goneaway
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 1778
    • Reward points: 3100
    • Joined: 2004/10/05 11:59:18
    • Status: offline
    RE: why do supplements take so long 2006/07/15 11:45:06 (permalink)
    0
    the other thing about these supplements is that unless your diet and training are all in order you aint going to make much in the way of improvements no matter what you take !
    Jump to:
    ©2018 All content is copyright of MuscleTalk.co.uk and its use elsewhere is prohibited.
    (posting guidelines | privacy | advertise | earnings disclaimer | contact us | supported by)
    © 2018 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.5